A giclairune is a unique, one-of-a-kind, totally digital, two dimensional artistic creation, as opposed to a giclée, which has come to mean a high quality ink jet printed reproduction of another work, usually created by non-digital means.
Hi. If you wanted those comments to be associated with the specific words, rather than appearing at the bottom of your list, you'll have to add them to the word pages: giclairune, ukku.
Ah. Perhaps senility has finally struck. I am confounded by the GUI, I suppose, doing what appeared to make sense at the time but which was, in the end, incorrect. I'm certain that the GUI and process makes sense to its designer (and apparently to everyone else here), so I think I'll just sit back and watch. Thanks for the tip.
Since the earliest days when mere mortals came to use computational devices, the most entrenched and problematic issue has been that the GUI (i.e. front-end software) was designed by programmers. Programmers know how to interact with machines, but almost never know how non-programmer humans best interact with machines. I have personally experienced this many, many times. Also, having been a teacher, I know that it is damnably difficult to describe how to perform a relatively simple task using words alone. Try writing down instructions on how to tie a shoe lace and then have someone follow those written instructions exactly. This exercise points out how people familiar with a process make careless assumptions that lead to massive confusion.
In this case, since I assume that data being submitted is in turn being used to add to, modify, or delete table entries in a structured database, the easiest solution is based on understanding that presenting two apparently related input opportunities on the same screen will likely create more confusion than necessary. The most obvious solution would be to design the interface so that it is impossible for users to screw up so easily; be totally linear and confirm actions as they are completed (e.g. "Add Word"-->(new page)"Thanks, your word has been added. If you would like to enter a definition or comment about this word, type it into the text area below and hit 'SUBMIT'."(new page)-->"Thanks. Your comment or definition has been added. "Select from the following list what you would like to do next." (Radio buttons for single operations, check boxes for multiple operations....)
Never assume that new users have any clue as to how you organize things. Be simple and direct and as linear as possible when providing input options, and provide thorough descriptions and/or explanations of what is happening at each step in the process.
This is not rocket science; it is design for human interaction. Beta test with a 12 year old. Never trust a programmer to get it right. :-)
Actually, I wasn't showing off--or not trying to, anyway. I really remember commenting on words first, mainly because I only figured out later that one could also comment on lists.
I also wasn't trying to drive anyone away, so apologies if it came off like that. I'll go now. *off to another Wordie page*
*Would make the Italian hand gesture of mild apology for yanking reesetee's chain ever so gently, if I knew how*
(not the falling prostrate on my ancestor's tomb kind of apology - something a little more moderate, more in line with a modest breach of Wordiequette, you understand)
Thanks, reesetee, for the clarification. We have unwittingly created another example of just how difficult it is to communicate with the written word alone. Smilies were the first crude attempt to allow a modicum of emotional context into the process, but subtle nuances created in person by tone, timbre, non-word utterances and body language are still largely missing. I guess this is why we use yet more words in special notations to extend and/or clarify the main text. *Lips pressed together. Eyebrows raised equally. Slight shrug of both shoulders.*
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
UKKU was originally coined simply because of its uniqueness and the possibilities of mirrored bifurcation.
March 16, 2009
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
A giclairune is a unique, one-of-a-kind, totally digital, two dimensional artistic creation, as opposed to a giclée, which has come to mean a high quality ink jet printed reproduction of another work, usually created by non-digital means.
March 16, 2009
vanishedone commented on the list leev2s-list
Hi. If you wanted those comments to be associated with the specific words, rather than appearing at the bottom of your list, you'll have to add them to the word pages: giclairune, ukku.
March 16, 2009
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
Ah. Perhaps senility has finally struck. I am confounded by the GUI, I suppose, doing what appeared to make sense at the time but which was, in the end, incorrect. I'm certain that the GUI and process makes sense to its designer (and apparently to everyone else here), so I think I'll just sit back and watch. Thanks for the tip.
March 16, 2009
qroqqa commented on the list leev2s-list
Nope, every single person here has started by commenting on their list instead of the words. *stares briefly at designer*
March 16, 2009
john commented on the list leev2s-list
Designer? *looks over shoulder*
March 16, 2009
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
Since the earliest days when mere mortals came to use computational devices, the most entrenched and problematic issue has been that the GUI (i.e. front-end software) was designed by programmers. Programmers know how to interact with machines, but almost never know how non-programmer humans best interact with machines. I have personally experienced this many, many times. Also, having been a teacher, I know that it is damnably difficult to describe how to perform a relatively simple task using words alone. Try writing down instructions on how to tie a shoe lace and then have someone follow those written instructions exactly. This exercise points out how people familiar with a process make careless assumptions that lead to massive confusion.
In this case, since I assume that data being submitted is in turn being used to add to, modify, or delete table entries in a structured database, the easiest solution is based on understanding that presenting two apparently related input opportunities on the same screen will likely create more confusion than necessary. The most obvious solution would be to design the interface so that it is impossible for users to screw up so easily; be totally linear and confirm actions as they are completed (e.g. "Add Word"-->(new page)"Thanks, your word has been added. If you would like to enter a definition or comment about this word, type it into the text area below and hit 'SUBMIT'."(new page)-->"Thanks. Your comment or definition has been added. "Select from the following list what you would like to do next." (Radio buttons for single operations, check boxes for multiple operations....)
Never assume that new users have any clue as to how you organize things. Be simple and direct and as linear as possible when providing input options, and provide thorough descriptions and/or explanations of what is happening at each step in the process.
This is not rocket science; it is design for human interaction. Beta test with a 12 year old. Never trust a programmer to get it right. :-)
March 16, 2009
reesetee commented on the list leev2s-list
Qroqqa, I believe I started by commenting on words, not my lists. And I like Wordie just the way it is.
March 16, 2009
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
As my brother is fond of saying, "Even a blind pig can find an acorn once in a while." I bow to your superior intellect and gracefully withdraw.
March 16, 2009
sionnach commented on the list leev2s-list
Oh, reesetee's just showing off. He was on Wordie even before Wordie existed (have you checked the dude's word total).
leev2 : It's just as qroqqa said. We all went through the same rite of passage.
Welcome to Wordie. You have the most intriguing initial pair of word additions to the site I've seen in some time.
March 17, 2009
reesetee commented on the list leev2s-list
Actually, I wasn't showing off--or not trying to, anyway. I really remember commenting on words first, mainly because I only figured out later that one could also comment on lists.
I also wasn't trying to drive anyone away, so apologies if it came off like that. I'll go now. *off to another Wordie page*
*runs back for a second*
Sionnach, you oughta talk, you 15K-er, you.
*away again*
March 17, 2009
sionnach commented on the list leev2s-list
*Would make the Italian hand gesture of mild apology for yanking reesetee's chain ever so gently, if I knew how*
(not the falling prostrate on my ancestor's tomb kind of apology - something a little more moderate, more in line with a modest breach of Wordiequette, you understand)
March 17, 2009
leev2 commented on the list leev2s-list
Thanks, reesetee, for the clarification. We have unwittingly created another example of just how difficult it is to communicate with the written word alone. Smilies were the first crude attempt to allow a modicum of emotional context into the process, but subtle nuances created in person by tone, timbre, non-word utterances and body language are still largely missing. I guess this is why we use yet more words in special notations to extend and/or clarify the main text. *Lips pressed together. Eyebrows raised equally. Slight shrug of both shoulders.*
March 17, 2009
reesetee commented on the list leev2s-list
*appreciates sionnach's modest atonement, though it isn't necessary*
*runs off again to add weird things to chained's new list*
March 17, 2009
chained_bear commented on the list leev2s-list
I don't recall putting word-comments on my lists either, but I think it's because I, too, didn't notice at first that one could comment on lists, too.
Though when I signed on, there wasn't a whole lot of socializing going on. It was mostly listing. Back in my day.
*chaws dentures*
March 17, 2009