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2 months ago rolig said:

In English, if you want to indicate an exclusive alternativity (does that sound right?) or, you would say "either A or B". Therefore, to suggest non-exclusivity, you would say, "A or B": "They are looking for someone who knows Arabic or Chinese" (this does not mean they will turn down someone who knows both languages). Curiously, in some circumstances, "A and B" is what you need: "in his long and distinguished career he has been a writer, a film director, and a callboy" (this does not imply that he was all these things at the same time, but neither does it exclude the possibility). Here, to say, "or" would imply that he's been one of these three, but you don't know which or at least aren't telling. (In Slovene, btw, this sentence would probably be written with the conjunction "ali" – "or".) Sometimes "and" and "or" can mean (i.e. refer to) the same thing: "They are looking for people who know Arabic and Chinese" may mean essentially the same thing as "They are looking for people who know Arabic or Chinese" (i.e., they are looking for people who know Arabic and for people who know Chinese, and if you fall into either or both of these categories, they have a job for you), or it may not (if they do in fact require knowledge of both languages, but then they should say, "people who know both Arabic and Chinese"). If you want to underscore the possibility of the alternatives being non-exclusive, then you could say "A or B, or both".

2 months ago VanishedOne said:

If vague memory serves Latin's vel vs. aut does; would any Latinists here care to confirm or deny that?

2 months ago mollusque said:

What languages do distinguish between inclusive and exclusive or?

2 months ago frindley said:

Which is perhaps why it's better that the multi-tasking musician (say, the violinist directing from the concertmaster's chair) be referred to as "violin-director" rather than "violin/director".

2 months ago VanishedOne said:

It's just a bit unfortunate that English doesn't distinguish between inclusive and exclusive or. 'And/or' is easier to say than ∨.

2 months ago rolig said:

gangerh, thanks for confirming my point: "and and/or or"!

2 months ago rolig said:

bilby, I don't believe it.

2 months ago gangerh said:

My solicitor told me some years ago that '/' on its own in legal terms means 'and/or'.

2 months ago dontcry said:

primarily used by multislackers

2 months ago bilby said:

Twice guilty, Your Honour :-)

2 months ago rolig said:

This nonsense word, normally written "and/or", is a clear sign of lazy or fuzzy thinking, or both.

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